關於dell的集體訴訟 - 消費者保護

By Michael
at 2009-06-28T19:31
at 2009-06-28T19:31
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※ 引述《wayza (花落誰家)》之銘言:
: 我想請問一下
: 很多人都在說要打集體訴訟
: 請問打贏的話,是只會出貨給那些有打訴訟的人,還是連沒參與集訴的也可以獲賠?
: 其實走到訴訟這一步,大家好像都會放棄了,成本效益太低
: 我在想dell會不會看準這點,想說用訴訟先過濾一些訂單,之後在慢慢拖
我是 2009/01 Dell NB 事件集體訴訟的發起人,相關資料可以參考
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cardondell/
大致的情形是 Dell 堅持不出貨,只願意用 1000 元其他商品折扣券補償,再加上
Dell 客服有欺騙的動作,所以決定糾集受害者提集體訴訟。
說實話,因為只走到跨越 20 人門檻,向 Dell 確認是否已經協商無門的時候,
Dell 就通知希望我們能夠先暫停法律行動,等候他們的最終決議
後來就如大家所知的,Dell 對訂單完全認帳,所以我也沒有實際把整個集體訴訟
程序走完就解散了。
後來雖然還有一點小爭議,不過我覺得 Dell 已經有友善回應,所以也不想計較...
當然啦,一方面也是因為協調這些事很花時間,我才買一台耶,光時間成本就比差
價多了不知道幾倍
所以後來看到訂很多來賣、可是當時又不願意出來幫忙,連聲援都沒有的鄉民有些
不爽,這次就肚爛到不想出來組織集體訴訟了,反正打贏了,也是爽到那些不出力
又賺很大的傢伙...
回到正題,不管是前一次或這一次,Dell 如果選擇不出貨、面對法律,我認為,
了不起就是"廣告不實"成立,罰金應該都比選擇出貨賠的少,但是他們為什麼上次
聽到我們已經要走法律程序以後,就願意重新考慮協商,我覺得怕丟臉的成份居多,
畢竟"廣告不實"應該是絕對閃不掉的,這種白紙黑字的判決會跟著這家公司一輩子。
至於串連抗議喔,我覺得是沒啥用啦,會串連的大概也不是他們的客戶,過幾年就
煙消雲散了,不信你去查一查今年年初的 NB 錯價事件,大概除了我設的 blog 有
紀錄,其他紀錄應該很少,就算查其他之前的案例,說真的,留存的大概也只剩官
方公告、報紙歷史紀錄,你看得出來當初的抗爭強度有多高嗎? 真的不容易...
所以我覺得,務實的作法就是讓大家都知道今年一月就發生過 Dell 照網頁價格認
賠出售 NB 的案例,直接要求比照辦理就好了,管其他國家、公司的判例幹麼?
才半年不到的活生生例子還不夠強力嗎???
講法條、 Dell 免責聲明...都沒有意義,除非這半年內有修改過。如果這次 Dell
不認,那就問他為什麼上次認、上次不引用,有本事就叫我們上次的人統統把 NB
吐出來。
寫申訴信是一定要的,有官方力量介入才會讓他們怕,至少會有官方的人來問你們
兩造是否對這件事情已經達成共識解決...雖然說我也不知道沒共識怎麼辦...
不會寫申訴信的看這篇範例流程簡介,leeeric 大大上次就很好心的幫忙擬稿了
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cardondell/23233222
最後就是鄉民要站出來組織集體訴訟,不要只是嘴砲。這麼多受害者,連一個人站
出來募集 20 名受害者都做不到,換成我是 Dell ,賞個 1000 元折價券隨意打發
一下就好了,反正只是堆沒有消費力又沒有組織的散沙,何必花時間關心...
--
: 我想請問一下
: 很多人都在說要打集體訴訟
: 請問打贏的話,是只會出貨給那些有打訴訟的人,還是連沒參與集訴的也可以獲賠?
: 其實走到訴訟這一步,大家好像都會放棄了,成本效益太低
: 我在想dell會不會看準這點,想說用訴訟先過濾一些訂單,之後在慢慢拖
我是 2009/01 Dell NB 事件集體訴訟的發起人,相關資料可以參考
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cardondell/
大致的情形是 Dell 堅持不出貨,只願意用 1000 元其他商品折扣券補償,再加上
Dell 客服有欺騙的動作,所以決定糾集受害者提集體訴訟。
說實話,因為只走到跨越 20 人門檻,向 Dell 確認是否已經協商無門的時候,
Dell 就通知希望我們能夠先暫停法律行動,等候他們的最終決議
後來就如大家所知的,Dell 對訂單完全認帳,所以我也沒有實際把整個集體訴訟
程序走完就解散了。
後來雖然還有一點小爭議,不過我覺得 Dell 已經有友善回應,所以也不想計較...
當然啦,一方面也是因為協調這些事很花時間,我才買一台耶,光時間成本就比差
價多了不知道幾倍
所以後來看到訂很多來賣、可是當時又不願意出來幫忙,連聲援都沒有的鄉民有些
不爽,這次就肚爛到不想出來組織集體訴訟了,反正打贏了,也是爽到那些不出力
又賺很大的傢伙...
回到正題,不管是前一次或這一次,Dell 如果選擇不出貨、面對法律,我認為,
了不起就是"廣告不實"成立,罰金應該都比選擇出貨賠的少,但是他們為什麼上次
聽到我們已經要走法律程序以後,就願意重新考慮協商,我覺得怕丟臉的成份居多,
畢竟"廣告不實"應該是絕對閃不掉的,這種白紙黑字的判決會跟著這家公司一輩子。
至於串連抗議喔,我覺得是沒啥用啦,會串連的大概也不是他們的客戶,過幾年就
煙消雲散了,不信你去查一查今年年初的 NB 錯價事件,大概除了我設的 blog 有
紀錄,其他紀錄應該很少,就算查其他之前的案例,說真的,留存的大概也只剩官
方公告、報紙歷史紀錄,你看得出來當初的抗爭強度有多高嗎? 真的不容易...
所以我覺得,務實的作法就是讓大家都知道今年一月就發生過 Dell 照網頁價格認
賠出售 NB 的案例,直接要求比照辦理就好了,管其他國家、公司的判例幹麼?
才半年不到的活生生例子還不夠強力嗎???
講法條、 Dell 免責聲明...都沒有意義,除非這半年內有修改過。如果這次 Dell
不認,那就問他為什麼上次認、上次不引用,有本事就叫我們上次的人統統把 NB
吐出來。
寫申訴信是一定要的,有官方力量介入才會讓他們怕,至少會有官方的人來問你們
兩造是否對這件事情已經達成共識解決...雖然說我也不知道沒共識怎麼辦...
不會寫申訴信的看這篇範例流程簡介,leeeric 大大上次就很好心的幫忙擬稿了
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cardondell/23233222
最後就是鄉民要站出來組織集體訴訟,不要只是嘴砲。這麼多受害者,連一個人站
出來募集 20 名受害者都做不到,換成我是 Dell ,賞個 1000 元折價券隨意打發
一下就好了,反正只是堆沒有消費力又沒有組織的散沙,何必花時間關心...
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