嘖嘖杯的協力廠商 出了一模一樣的杯子 - 網店

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這是我十幾年來第一篇在ptt被噓爆的文章,謝謝各位的指教。
本來在思考要不要刪文,最後決定留下這篇,過幾年等事件釐清後,
再回頭來看這篇檢視自己。
今天兩方都發表了最新的聲明,【drsi依然沒有官方承認初心
用2000萬這個數字要求生產10萬個嘖嘖杯】,但當只要提到
為什麼無法看樣,噓文裡都是【殺2000萬對半砍又說要去大陸
做誰敢給看樣?是要被拿去仿找別人做嗎?】類似這樣的言
論,2000萬一詞又是誰在帶風向呢?
關於自己與傳產的交涉目前僅有五年的經驗,見識可能真的不深,
還請前輩多多指教,依自己在傳產上經驗到的普遍程序大概如下,
看樣(樣品製作免費或付費)>報價>議價>簽約下單(很多傳產不簽約的)
>付定>備料>生產>(中期款)>驗貨>尾款>交貨
這是我跟工廠下單的經驗,基本上新產品不會有沒定稿樣就下單的情況(甚至有在樣品上
被要求畫押確認的經驗)。
初期合作又是新產品工廠,基本上也不太可能沒有簽約或付定就備料。
至於樣品會有被比價仿冒風險,已有人提到樣品能否攜走拍照錄影,都是可以協商的。
若drsi有繼續合作要初心下單的意願,是否該按照業界正常程序走?另外3天內付全額也不
是正常程序。
設計行銷當然不是多了不起多偉大,品牌價值和行銷力也不是完全對等,但某種程度上,
品牌價值和行銷脫離不了關係,
工廠沒有廠商下單,廠商沒有工廠,都無法營運,
或許昨天有些話表達得不夠好,讓大家誤解我認為品牌行銷多偉大,
忽略沒有工廠也沒辦法有產品可以賣這個事實,
我想表達的是,台灣依然有很多很棒有生產技術能力的工廠,
ODM/OEM品牌有好產品賣真的需要謝謝它們,
卻也有某些工廠會有末端銷售成績,而見獵心喜漲價的心態,
後悔自己價報太低,但對外銷報價時就又不會了。
_______________________
補充:我不是初心的誰,和他一點淵源都沒有,我只是一個同在
設計行銷與傳產端搏鬥的路人,這段時間我們的產品因為堅持
mit,卻在傳產端遇到了很多很多問題,當無數個前輩都勸我們
離開台灣另尋生產,我們卻還死守在這片土地,所以我能理解
初心在報價後說的那句氣話。
(氣話應該是價格過高找大陸做價格如何,但何來不用2000萬做
就轉單?)
雖然說出來就是不恰當,非常不恰當,但說真的10萬的募資者,
真的有這麼多原本就認識dr.Si?衝dr.Si而買?若真如此dr.Si是
太小看自己才將自己辛苦的專利讓給別人去行銷?
目前dr.Si撿了現成的設計與行銷,(設計待議,但行銷從dr.Si
粉絲頁歷史關注人數即可發現,並非dr.Si本身所擅長的)
搭載熱潮,在這個時間點積極行銷和嘖嘖杯長一樣的巧力杯,
刻意削價競爭給設計行銷的募資者難堪,一家有能力做外銷訂單
的公司明知會引起十萬參與募資者的恐慌依然如此決定是否過於草率?
這就是台灣,台灣永遠沒辦法團結,
永遠沒有屬於台灣驕傲的品牌!
----以下原文
很多人在算工廠拿了5000萬的生產成本走,扣一扣初心這個年輕人還賺了幾百萬,已經足
夠了。這個事件告訴我們台灣沒有【品牌價值】的存在。
沒有人認真去探討工廠聲稱0毛利的生產成本是不是浮報?是否埋下彼此不信任的伏筆?
正常邏輯應該初心感到工廠浮報(或許跟募資時期口頭商談的價格差距甚大),初心才另尋
報價尋求合理價格範圍,卻被傳言說成要殺兩千萬(2000萬要工廠做,不然轉單,也是工
廠放話根本沒有證據)。
另外報價不合導致合約未簽,但在沒有正式終止合作之前,廠商以承受不住備料壓力為由
,不選擇積極溝通,而是搶先將合作開發產品換名低價上市,並利用嘖嘖杯宣傳影片行銷
,還在聲明理要初心回來簽約回歸正常程序,這不是本末倒置手段明顯?
真有人相信一家14年經驗成熟的工廠,沒有報價沒有合約,先備好10萬pc的料?
一個LV的包,賣10萬生產成本5000,有人會說合理阿,他是LV。
一個創意的產品,搭上用心的企劃行銷,賣630生產成本495,卻說,給你賺100了,10萬
個賺1000萬了,還不夠嗎?
這個事件告訴我們台灣沒有【品牌價值】的存在。
--------
dr.Si這麼有本事當初就自己在零售市場賣出10萬個單價600-800的嘖嘖杯啊!
--
本來在思考要不要刪文,最後決定留下這篇,過幾年等事件釐清後,
再回頭來看這篇檢視自己。
今天兩方都發表了最新的聲明,【drsi依然沒有官方承認初心
用2000萬這個數字要求生產10萬個嘖嘖杯】,但當只要提到
為什麼無法看樣,噓文裡都是【殺2000萬對半砍又說要去大陸
做誰敢給看樣?是要被拿去仿找別人做嗎?】類似這樣的言
論,2000萬一詞又是誰在帶風向呢?
關於自己與傳產的交涉目前僅有五年的經驗,見識可能真的不深,
還請前輩多多指教,依自己在傳產上經驗到的普遍程序大概如下,
看樣(樣品製作免費或付費)>報價>議價>簽約下單(很多傳產不簽約的)
>付定>備料>生產>(中期款)>驗貨>尾款>交貨
這是我跟工廠下單的經驗,基本上新產品不會有沒定稿樣就下單的情況(甚至有在樣品上
被要求畫押確認的經驗)。
初期合作又是新產品工廠,基本上也不太可能沒有簽約或付定就備料。
至於樣品會有被比價仿冒風險,已有人提到樣品能否攜走拍照錄影,都是可以協商的。
若drsi有繼續合作要初心下單的意願,是否該按照業界正常程序走?另外3天內付全額也不
是正常程序。
設計行銷當然不是多了不起多偉大,品牌價值和行銷力也不是完全對等,但某種程度上,
品牌價值和行銷脫離不了關係,
工廠沒有廠商下單,廠商沒有工廠,都無法營運,
或許昨天有些話表達得不夠好,讓大家誤解我認為品牌行銷多偉大,
忽略沒有工廠也沒辦法有產品可以賣這個事實,
我想表達的是,台灣依然有很多很棒有生產技術能力的工廠,
ODM/OEM品牌有好產品賣真的需要謝謝它們,
卻也有某些工廠會有末端銷售成績,而見獵心喜漲價的心態,
後悔自己價報太低,但對外銷報價時就又不會了。
_______________________
補充:我不是初心的誰,和他一點淵源都沒有,我只是一個同在
設計行銷與傳產端搏鬥的路人,這段時間我們的產品因為堅持
mit,卻在傳產端遇到了很多很多問題,當無數個前輩都勸我們
離開台灣另尋生產,我們卻還死守在這片土地,所以我能理解
初心在報價後說的那句氣話。
(氣話應該是價格過高找大陸做價格如何,但何來不用2000萬做
就轉單?)
雖然說出來就是不恰當,非常不恰當,但說真的10萬的募資者,
真的有這麼多原本就認識dr.Si?衝dr.Si而買?若真如此dr.Si是
太小看自己才將自己辛苦的專利讓給別人去行銷?
目前dr.Si撿了現成的設計與行銷,(設計待議,但行銷從dr.Si
粉絲頁歷史關注人數即可發現,並非dr.Si本身所擅長的)
搭載熱潮,在這個時間點積極行銷和嘖嘖杯長一樣的巧力杯,
刻意削價競爭給設計行銷的募資者難堪,一家有能力做外銷訂單
的公司明知會引起十萬參與募資者的恐慌依然如此決定是否過於草率?
這就是台灣,台灣永遠沒辦法團結,
永遠沒有屬於台灣驕傲的品牌!
----以下原文
很多人在算工廠拿了5000萬的生產成本走,扣一扣初心這個年輕人還賺了幾百萬,已經足
夠了。這個事件告訴我們台灣沒有【品牌價值】的存在。
沒有人認真去探討工廠聲稱0毛利的生產成本是不是浮報?是否埋下彼此不信任的伏筆?
正常邏輯應該初心感到工廠浮報(或許跟募資時期口頭商談的價格差距甚大),初心才另尋
報價尋求合理價格範圍,卻被傳言說成要殺兩千萬(2000萬要工廠做,不然轉單,也是工
廠放話根本沒有證據)。
另外報價不合導致合約未簽,但在沒有正式終止合作之前,廠商以承受不住備料壓力為由
,不選擇積極溝通,而是搶先將合作開發產品換名低價上市,並利用嘖嘖杯宣傳影片行銷
,還在聲明理要初心回來簽約回歸正常程序,這不是本末倒置手段明顯?
真有人相信一家14年經驗成熟的工廠,沒有報價沒有合約,先備好10萬pc的料?
一個LV的包,賣10萬生產成本5000,有人會說合理阿,他是LV。
一個創意的產品,搭上用心的企劃行銷,賣630生產成本495,卻說,給你賺100了,10萬
個賺1000萬了,還不夠嗎?
這個事件告訴我們台灣沒有【品牌價值】的存在。
--------
dr.Si這麼有本事當初就自己在零售市場賣出10萬個單價600-800的嘖嘖杯啊!
--
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