NSF認證相關問題 - 家電

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作者: d200190 (瞌睡熊) 看板: DirectSales
標題: Re: [問題] 如果找不到當初的安麗直銷商
時間: Thu Dec 7 00:14:12 2017


來喔，上原文

Dear NSF:

Could you explain how this NSF certified mark should be looked like? Is there
any official regulation for some specific product type? Or a authorized
manufacturer could choose their own mark varying from a simple NSF to a
circled NSF with certified standard? changing color from blue to black? I've
seen marks with these two colors with the same "Independently Certified"
around NSF circle, separated with or without two dots. Did they represent the
same meaning?

I am confused by a salesman form Amway claimed that eSpring water treatment
system is the only system certified for the entire system(standard 42/53/55),
rest of manufacturers certified merely for functioning compartments.

Most importantly, he claimed that by whole system certification, they were
authorized to bear different type of certified mark, which is distinguishable
from other manufacturers.

Is it true or false? if it's true, what does it look like? May I have a
picture?

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Hello XXX,

There are certification marks that are used by all manufacturers who are
certified to NSF International standards and certified by NSF International.
There are color restrictions and size recommendations for the certification
marks. The certification mark by itself does not represent different
certification; but rather the list of standards that the product has been
certified against as well as the list of contaminants it will reduce is a way
to differentiate a product’s certification.
In regard to what you stated below, here is our listings page where you can
see which products are certified to which standards:
http://info.nsf.org/Certified/DWTU/
There are various products that have certification to more than one standard
(i.e., 42, 53, and 401). We verify what the manufacturer is claiming their
product will reduce.
If you forward me what the dealer is saying in an email, I can send to our
quality team for their review.


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Dear NSF:

Thanks for replying.
Here's his expression: eSpring system is the only product (more precisely,
product line.) being certified for entire machine to standard
43/53/55/401/P477 rather than just functioning component. For example, some
water purifier is certified to standard 53 only for filter part, but not for
the entire machine as eSpring does. Since eSpring is certified for entire
machine, the product line is authorized to bear unique NSF mark differing
from other manufacturers.

To be clear:
1.Is the NSF mark altered in any way between "whole machine" and "single
component" so that I could tell the differences by taking one glance of the
certified mark?

Attached file 1 demonstrates what he called "unique certified mark for entire
machine". I prefer he's bluffing. Is it legit to use TM? or R is preferred?

https://imgur.com/FLHv9OJ.jpg


2. "whole machine" and "single component" Are they really certified and
documented in different ways? Does it really matter if I sent the whole
machine or component for certification?

The salesman's expression sounds like their certification to standard 53 is
way more better than other manufacturers' and documented in a unique way.
I thought NSF testifies the water purifying components in the most realistic
practice-run the whole machine, and testify the contaminants reduction,
material safety and integrity. Am I correct? or NSF only testifies the
component in some way isolated?

3.Just to be sure, in attached file 2, all these certified mark are legit,
right? And they don't represent any standard or what they called "whole
machine certification". The only information is that products with these
marks are certified by NSF, and manufacturers are free to choose any one of
them as label. Am I correct?

https://imgur.com/Eaji0f7.jpg

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Hi XXX,
There are component certifications that we use to verify the components in
contact with drinking water are safe to use. These fall under standard 42
and/or 61. They would state as such “certified for material and structural
integrity only” whereas the performance of a product is verified as a whole
system is under 42, 53, 401, etc.
The mark is the same with the exception of the box underneath has different
text clarifying the product’s certification.
The certification mark has a ® with it for all marks including the “
independently certified” version.
If I can be of further assistance, please let me know.
Thank you for your message,

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這個齁，NSF列表有寫益之源可以濾鉛和汞，我覺得這個就可以不用爭了。



好喔，我又寫了一封信去啊，而且還幫你翻中文。

Dear NSF:
What does the circle "independently certified " represent? The salesman
insists that the circle around stands for whole system certification.

標誌外面那一圈independently certified是甚麼意思? 直銷商堅持那是全機認證

才有的圈。

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It is an older certification mark that does not represent a different type of
certification (whole system versus component). The text box underneath should
explain what the certification represents.

那是舊版的認證標誌，不代表認證不同(全機vs零部件)，底下的文字方塊可以解釋代表

哪項認證。

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真的hen~棒。




我是想說這張圖https://imgur.com/BVDsXQ2.jpg

我們常見到淨水器宣稱取得NSF認證，但在NSF的認證中，其實分為「全機」與「零件」認
證。 這兩者最大的區別，在於獲得NSF的「零件」，僅能代表該零件(濾心)所使用的材質
，符合NSF的標準， 但卻無法代表該零件安裝於機體後的安全性，或者能有效濾除水中的
汙染物。僅有獲得NSF全機認證的淨水器，才能同時符合材料安全、結構完整及有效濾除
三大要件，確保顧客所飲用的水是純淨且安全無虞。


根據NSF官方的信，只要有效能相關的認證，比如說53裡面可以濾掉幾項，就是整個系統

下去驗，所以基本上53就一定是驗全機。

NSF的懶人包說明42跟53https://goo.gl/bppGRH

這也跟信件裡吻合，如果只驗零件的部分是歸在42或61底下，但是42也有效能的部分是

驗全機。

所以會分全機vs零件的，只有42，但是中文安麗官網不寫清楚，會讓消費者以為所有NSF

認證都有分全機vs零件。尤其是濾心，會有人拿整個濾水器的心臟只驗42零件不驗效能的

嗎? 真的有的話那這廠商是棒槌啊，所以我又合理假設這段描述是針對那些只要驗42零件

就可以拿NSF標誌出來騙的不肖廠商。但是消費者不會去研究這些眉角啊，又要被你們鋪

天蓋地洗全機五項，那不就是營造一種"只有我家驗全機好棒棒"的氛圍，你要說他違法也

沒有阿都是事實啊，只是換個說法讓你觀感不同啊。這，就是大家最討厭的直銷話術，一

般人不研究一下真的很容易被拐，美國官方網站就沒有搞這麼多花樣，再加一堆直銷商的

"個人行為"，更讓我覺得在台灣直銷會臭真的是活該夕鶴。


啊對了，NSF標誌的那個TM可以問一下啦，NSF官方說法是用®。

我戰的內容其實跟安麗官方也沒甚麼關係啊，都是在戰底下直銷商那些莫名其妙的"個人"

說詞啊，只是個體戶被戳就會氣噗噗覺得我在戳安麗官方。這種東西寄給官方有甚麼用?

難道官方還能把護航大將軍趕出安麗?

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很感謝D200190大大願意借我轉

這篇也搓破某直銷"全機"認證的話術

更加證明RO是目前最乾淨的水

希望大家能買到CP值最高的電器用品

以上

祝各位 健康快樂
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