小心貨到付款!分享被詐騙的心得 - 網店

By Iris
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*商品/店家名稱: 【小樂子】ADIDAS ADI SUN 夾腳拖鞋 深藍 / 水藍
三葉草LOGO 人字拖 (帳號 god10224)
*購買連結:http://mybid.ruten.com.tw/credit/point?god10224
*相關佐證:http://mybid.ruten.com.tw/credit/point?god10224
http://www.law110.com.tw/forum_content.aspx?pid=566903
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Bunco/M.1399900684.A.9B8.html
*事發經過:
賣家帳號:god10224
請小心詐騙,即使是貨到付款!
事情經過是這樣的~
一、下標
上個禮拜(7/8)在露天買了雙運動品牌拖鞋,賣家沒有什麼賣東西的評價,
但商品價錢是合理的,而且其他賣場同樣款式的都缺貨,
雖然心理想著沒評價可能有詐騙的風險,
但時間很晚了,加上家人催促該睡了,於是就決定下標。
二、收貨
賣家只提供貨到付款的方式,
下標後,過了好幾天才到貨,
(這時警覺心已經磨不見了...竟然看都沒看直接簽收付錢)
接著看到寄件人是"香港廣新物流",才覺得不太對勁
邊錄影邊拆開包裝發現寄來的東西....果然有問題!
送來的款式完全不對,而是髒髒舊舊的不知名拖鞋
(唯一的共通點只有...至少還是拖鞋)
三、確認詐騙
馬上 Line 給賣家,賣家沒有回覆
這時去查了一下才發現,這半年來可以google得到幾個同樣的案例
詐騙手法是:
1. 詐騙集團以貨到付款方式賣東西
2. 買家會收到一個錯誤劣質的商品,寄送的物流公司都是"香港廣新物流"
3. 聯絡賣家,賣家會說配送錯誤,會另外寄送正確的給你,但因為換貨處理
時間比較長,需要7天~10天才會寄到,錯誤的商品到時直接給物流即可
4. 接下來,當然~賣家就人間消失了...
四、黑貓止付交涉過程
確認是詐騙後,我立刻打給當時送來的黑貓宅急便送貨人員,
詢問是否可以進行止付,宅配人員說必需公司那邊有通知才可以,
於是又打去黑貓客服,想不到這才是讓我最失望的地方...
黑貓一路轉到客服主管,該主管說他們需要政府單位行文才能止付,
最多一個禮拜款項就會匯到上一層物流或賣家。
這時候我終於懂得為甚麼詐騙集團會說換或大約要7~10天了,
因為這時候款項早就離開物流到他們手上了!!
而這時候Line上賣家也回覆我了,不意外的,跟查到的回答一模一樣
要求退貨則跟你要一筆不合理的300塊運費。
於是我原原本本的告知整個的情況給黑貓客服主管,
如果先報警,這時根本還沒有犯罪事實,
中間等待所謂的換貨的過程款項就會流到詐騙集團手中,
然而,我得到的回答竟然依舊是:
「依照流程我們需要政府機關行文.....我們一切合法!」
......
我是有說你們不合法嗎 ┴─┴︵╰(‵□′╰ ?!
我要的是可以阻止款項流到詐騙集團的方法,
依照這些流程跑下來,款項很可能已經一去不回了!
如果沒有權限處理,至少該告訴我有哪個單位可以處理,
客服應該隨事件應變,而不是只照著SOP念稿最後加上一句 「我們一切合法」!
當聽了第 N 次「我們一切合法」後,我決定放棄這位...處理非常標準的主管
轉向寄件的「廣新物流」
五、廣新物流交涉過程
找到宅配單上的廣新電話後,聯絡上客服
廣新方面的交涉,意外的順利,
廣新告知款項到他們那裡之後會先壓下來,
如果聯絡上賣家後三天沒有正面消息,可以提供帳號給他們
他們會退款到帳戶~
Oh,題外話~這時候賣家正在威脅我,如果收到退款訊息,就準備斷手...
然而,我其實不放心將帳戶給這家物流公司,
在google上我查不到這家公司的資料,找到的只有與這個詐騙手法相關的訊息。
而配送單上寫的申訴平台網址早就失效。
與黑貓合作我相信應是合法公司,但也不能擔保帳號不會外流到詐騙集團。
我不想為了沒多少錢冒這個風險
(詐騙集團也是看中這種心理,小錢大部分的人會當作買教訓)
六、淡忘後又重啟交涉
這幾天我淡忘了這件事(中間還跟詐騙閒聊上兩句~haha)
到今天正好一個禮拜,又想起這件事,
去查了一下該賣家,已經被停權了,同時還多了好幾個受害者
於是我又打過去黑貓,確認款項目前在哪裡
又一路轉到該主管~然後準備聽「我們一切合法」
然後才終於問到目前款項還在黑貓貨到付款用的帳戶
然後又經歷整個怒火中燒的對話過程,終於聽到一個關鍵字
「痾...因為我們貨到付款是客樂得公司在處理..」
...... 那我之前到底跟你說那麼多幹嘛阿XD ?!....
當時問你這部份還有誰可以處理還說只有你們
還說因為你覺得客樂得公司只有10幾個人,應該沒有在處理這個
當下實在笑到無言了...順便問了廣新的統編後就掛了電話
打過去客樂得說明情況後,財會部門已經下班了~
但值班人員說,他們禮拜五才會出帳
要我明天一早聯絡財會人員,會再看要怎麼退給我。
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心得:
1. 不論金額高低,不論是貨到付款還是超商取貨都該注意賣家評價再下標。
畢竟貨到付款時不太可能拆完貨再簽收...
2. 下標前好好看看賣家賣場是否有不合理的地方。如果當時有點進
賣家賣的其他東西就會發現,賣家短時間上架了非常多商品,以一般賣家來說
是不合理的。而支付方式只有貨到付款也是不合理的。
3. 當貨到付款想止付時,建議直接找到處理款項的單位才有效率,
否則可能會一直聽到NPC式的回應
雖然還不知道款項能不能要回來,但其實並非在乎這個金額,
主要還是想找到一個有效的流程,
畢竟詐騙手法層出不窮,誰知道下一次還會不會遇到更大的詐騙呢?
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後續:
這篇本意是讓大家知道有這樣的詐騙手法,
以及找到一個真正可以把款項拿回來的方法,
雖然我不滿黑貓的處理更大過於被詐騙的心情(怒),
畢竟這篇標題也寫著抱怨,請就忍耐我抱怨幾句吧<(_ _)>
但還是希望大家把重點放在詐騙及處理上。
另外,165是判斷是否詐騙及遇到詐騙時諮詢很好的管道,
並且這個事件我也有播過去諮詢過,
我不知道165有否權責介入案件,
但就我所知是諮詢及協助報警為主。
至於報警或找消保官,
在收到錯誤貨品<->更正貨品寄到預估時間
這兩個時間之間,
這都還只是一個寄錯貨的賣家與買家的消費糾紛,
所以才說此時還沒有犯罪事實~(奧,當然恐嚇部份除外)
而等到可以真正確認對方是詐騙的7~10天後,款項早就要不回來了
這也正是麻煩所在,165 方面也明白告訴我,
對警察而言這種情況的確可能會用交易糾紛處理,
如果運氣好遇到這部份較有經驗的警察,
那有機會在初期就以詐騙方向處理,
在黑貓能扣住的7天內就請黑貓退款。
OK, 那麼, 今天呢?
這一個禮拜跟我交涉的主管剛好休假了,Good.
而我打過去克樂得,聽到的消息卻是..
「這一筆上個禮拜就結帳給廣新了!」
Good..
請問我聽到的黑貓會扣住一個禮拜在哪裡?
請問我昨天聽到的還在黑貓中信戶頭是..?
...一定是我耳屎太多聽錯了
於是又打給廣新,廣新很快的處理退款流程
說明會由黑貓再來收貨,
而退款必須影印存摺影本,再匯到戶頭~
沒有其他方式。
事情就到這~接著就來煩惱該不該信任這家公司吧,
接著會由消保官介入看是否能用現金袋方式退款。
當發現貨到付款詐騙時,我認為比較好的流程應該是...:
1. 先撥電話給黑貓及客樂得告知可能為詐騙
這樣黑貓才會先扣住一個禮拜(雖然我被晃點了..)。
2. 打給其上層物流告知可能為詐騙
一個禮拜後如果款項流到該物流時還能扣住,
而且賣家若沒正面回應可以直接退款。
(老實說,在信任廣新的情況下,他們的處理比黑貓好太多了)
必須先扣住這兩邊,避免如果結帳時間剛好,
款項不用幾天就到詐騙集團手中了。
3. 報案
165有線上報案,我想會比直接報案來的有機會直接以詐騙處理
能直接在黑貓階段就把錢拿回來。
至於要抓到犯人, 牽涉海外的詐騙是很難偵辦的,
尤其又是小金額..CP值就顯得低得可憐了
4. Plan B
如果沒能在黑貓階段取回款項,而上層物流又無法信任
可以試著由警方居中交涉以其他方式退款。
至於我認為中間物流有沒有責任呢?
我想可能是一切合法吧!
然而當一個服務被作為犯罪利用的工具,而公司卻只是說著我們合法的旁觀時
那也不過是在無形中以合法方式協助非法罷了。
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喔對了,記得曾有消保官說取貨付款詐騙,超商需付連帶責任
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